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I was hugely disappointed when Rousey refused to shake Tate's hand. I don't care what anyone says it was just unsporting in the extreme. She may have won the fight but she lost the night and deserved every boo she got from the crowd.
There's a lot of bad blood between both fighters. Tate, along with her boyfriend, talked a lot of shit before the first fight. Brian Caraway, Tate's boyfriend, said something about knocking out Rousey's teeth and breaking her arm on Twitter. Most of Tate's banter came before their first fight. Caraway continued to the second fight.
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There's a lot of bad blood between both fighters. Tate, along with her boyfriend, talked a lot of shit before the first fight. Brian Caraway, Tate's boyfriend, said something about knocking out Rousey's teeth and breaking her arm on Twitter. Most of Tate's banter came before their first fight. Caraway continued to the second fight.
Yep, I know that. But apparently Tate & Co. did apologise (but according to Rousey they didn't) - who knows. Regardless of that, in a time when "trash talk" (which I don't like btw) is not just commonplace - it's almost an integral part of sports promotion and the norm for fight sports - Rousey's petulance is bizzare IMO. She needs to get over herself.
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Yep, I know that. But apparently Tate & Co. did apologise (but according to Rousey they didn't) - who knows. Regardless of that, in a time when "trash talk" (which I don't like btw) is not just commonplace - it's almost an integral part of sports promotion and the norm for fight sports - Rousey's petulance is bizzare IMO. She needs to get over herself.
They apologized for Caraway's twitter-threat to knock her teeth down her throat, not any of the other stuff.

So, out of curiosity, are you saying you would rather have a champion who bows to public opinion, folds to peer pressure and does not stand firm in his or her personal beliefs? You want a champion who does not sincerely offer a hand but does so only for the sake of appearances?

Another quick question; does the fact that Ronda was extremely complimentary of Tate's performance and abilities in general, even before the fight, have no weight in regards to her being a good sport? What about the fact that she could have pulled a Palhares in the 3rd round but instead released the arm lock immediately upon the ref calling it? No? Nothing?

I'm just curious, as you are the only person I regularly interact with who holds the stance that she did anything wrong, and as I have mostly agreed with you on so many other points in regards to this crazy thing called MMA, I'd like a bit more insight into this.


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Ronda Rousey is the female version of Brook Lesnar.

They both trash talk way too much, think they are above the sport and don't need to respect anyone else.

They both have one move or method winning a match. They are one-trick pony's and really don't have any other skills.

They both are soo egotistical I don't think there's much room for anything else in their head.

And finally I hope, I mean really hope they both end the same way. In that I hope Ronda Rousey gets her face pummeled and then quits the UFC.
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And finally I hope, I mean really hope they both end the same way. In that I hope Ronda Rousey gets her face pummeled and then quits the UFC.
This is my first post on this thread, and one that should be interesting. For one, I don't watch MMA, my business here is on that Lesnar comparison, and defending someone who is now pro wrestler.

Lesnar quit MMA because his health prevented him from continuing further. Diverticulitis plagued him, and the fact is Brock was never 100% healthy in his entire sporting career. Whether it be wrestling, NFL, or MMA. Now he's been touted since returning to wrestling at finally being at 100%. His contract with WWE makes it so that he can wrestle only one match every couple of months, which is best for his body.

If not for the big money offer from WWE (reportedly $5 million dollar contract), he'd probably wish he'd stay in UFC.
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Ronda Rousey is the female version of Brook Lesnar.

They both trash talk way too much, think they are above the sport and don't need to respect anyone else.
Except that Ronda has only trashed talked with Miesha, she's shown nothing but respect to every other opponent. Everyone that trains with her talks about how humble and eager to learn she is, checks her ego at the door so to speak. I think it was Rener Gracie who said something to the effect of her having the attitude of a white belt yet the skills of a black belt.


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They both have one move or method winning a match. They are one-trick pony's and really don't have any other skills.
Soooo, ever improving striking and wrestling, world class judo and high level jiu-jitsu are all "one-trick"?....that's quite a trick


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They both are soo egotistical I don't think there's much room for anything else in their head.

And finally I hope, I mean really hope they both end the same way. In that I hope Ronda Rousey gets her face pummeled and then quits the UFC.
Um...okay...
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This is my first post on this thread, and one that should be interesting. For one, I don't watch MMA, my business here is on that Lesnar comparison, and defending someone who is now pro wrestler.

Lesnar quit MMA because his health prevented him from continuing further. Diverticulitis plagued him, and the fact is Brock was never 100% healthy in his entire sporting career. Whether it be wrestling, NFL, or MMA. Now he's been touted since returning to wrestling at finally being at 100%. His contract with WWE makes it so that he can wrestle only one match every couple of months, which is best for his body.

If not for the big money offer from WWE (reportedly $5 million dollar contract), he'd probably wish he'd stay in UFC.
Lesnar was a a beast in the UFC. Nobody took him seriously, myself included, until after that first fight with Keith Herring. His wrestling was legit, his only flaw, fighting-wise, was the need for some much improved stand-up. Overeem beat him with striking and Cain took the title mainly with his striking and hey, there is no shame in losing to Cain Velasquez. If Lesnar was the beast Cain is effin Godzilla, dude is nice.
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They apologized for Caraway's twitter-threat to knock her teeth down her throat, not any of the other stuff.

So, out of curiosity, are you saying you would rather have a champion who bows to public opinion, folds to peer pressure and does not stand firm in his or her personal beliefs? You want a champion who does not sincerely offer a hand but does so only for the sake of appearances?
LOL!!! You're good Aurman. Might as well ask me if I still beat my wife.

No. I'm not asking Rousey to be dishonest. I believe there is a code of behaviour that applies in all sports. One of nicities of that code is that when you finish a contest you shake your opponents hand. In shaking the hand you are not saying you like the person, you are showing respect for their talents and abilities. It has nothing to do with what you feel about the other individual on a personal level. It's the way I was brought up. I played competitive sports a lot (not at a world class level mind you) but I've shaken the hand of many people after a game that I didn't like on a personal level. I've also watched many world class sports men and women do the same over the years even though they may have disliked their competitors. Maybe it's an old fashioned idea, but I think it is very important.

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Another quick question; does the fact that Ronda was extremely complimentary of Tate's performance and abilities in general, even before the fight, have no weight in regards to her being a good sport?
In my view that really doesn't carry any weight. All she had to do to show that she had respect for Tate's performance and abilities was to shake her hand after the fight. That is what the hand shake is all about.

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What about the fact that she could have pulled a Palhares in the 3rd round but instead released the arm lock immediately upon the ref calling it? No? Nothing?
Well you know, before the fight I was actually afraid that Rousey might break Tate's arm on purpose and out of pure spite if she got the chance. I am very glad she didn't when push came to shove. Having said that, I don't think the decision not to break a persons arm given the opportunity is the yard-stick by which we should be measuring sporting behaviour.

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I'm just curious, as you are the only person I regularly interact with who holds the stance that she did anything wrong, and as I have mostly agreed with you on so many other points in regards to this crazy thing called MMA, I'd like a bit more insight into this.
Well I know I'm not the only one. There were thousands of people in attendance who felt the same way. I really got the feeling that when Tate offered her hand that she did so sincerely and with respect, despite the fact that she had been beaten by somebody she dislikes intensly. All Rousey had to do was accept the gesture and shake the hand that was offered. I think it is a great pity that she didn't. What frustrates me is that I really want to like Rousey. She is an incredible athlete and has amazing skills, so there's a lot to like.

Anyway, the good part is that we don't have to agree on this. If we all agreed on everything it would be a pretty dull old world.
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being compared to Brock Lesnar is not a bad thing. Not when the bottom line is concerned.

Ronda's one trick is a very good trick. I don't see her losing anytime soon. I don't know much about her to be honest. I didn't know she existed before she came to UFC. From what I've seen, she is the villain. MMA borrowing from pro wrestling, like Floyd Mayweather does in boxing. More people want to see the villain get beat.

Can't lie. I think I'm in love with her now.

I'm sure Dana White hopes she does a small % of the business Brock did for UFC. Hey Seven Churches. I think I know you from somewhere. I watched most of Brock MMA fights. you're right. He never really had a chance because of his diverticulitis.

Aurman, I wasn't taking him seriously either. The Shane Carwin fight he took some beating, but came back to win. It was amazing to see him coming back from that because he was out so long before it. He was on his way down.

Velasquez didn't waste any time with him and by the time he fought Overeem he was shot as a fighter.

I've heard the rumors about him coming back to MMA as well, but I don't see much point in it even if he is healthy. I do agree that if he was healthy at the time then who knows how he might have ended up. He might still be there. Maybe pride makes him fight again at some point. I doubt it though. In the end us WWE fans benefited from his misfortune.
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LOL!!! You're good Aurman. Might as well ask me if I still beat my wife.
Yeah, sorry about that. Those questions are pretty well loaded aren't they?

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No. I'm not asking Rousey to be dishonest. I believe there is a code of behaviour that applies in all sports. One of nicities of that code is that when you finish a contest you shake your opponents hand. In shaking the hand you are not saying you like the person, you are showing respect for their talents and abilities. It has nothing to do with what you feel about the other individual on a personal level. It's the way I was brought up. I played competitive sports a lot (not at a world class level mind you) but I've shaken the hand of many people after a game that I didn't like on a personal level. I've also watched many world class sports men and women do the same over the years even though they may have disliked their competitors. Maybe it's an old fashioned idea, but I think it is very important.
Agreed. I think I understand this now, the difference is coming from the meaning applied to the symbolic gesture. You employ it as a courtesy to your opponent, a sign of respect purely on the athletic/competative level. Ronda seems to view it more as a sign of friendship/respect, almost akin to a hug, a near affectionate interaction with someone whom you hold in fairly high regard.

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In my view that really doesn't carry any weight. All she had to do to show the she had respect for Tate's performance and abilities was to shake her hand after the fight. That is what the hand shake is all about.
Again, I don't think she views it that way at all. This seems to be boiling down to a very small difference in the perceived meaning of the handshake.


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Well you know, before the fight I was actually afraid that Rousey might break Tate's arm on purpose and out of pure spite if she got the chance. I am very glad she didn't when push came to shove. Having said that, I don't think the decision not to break a persons arm given the opportunity is the yard-stick by which we should be measuring sporting behaviour.
Hahahahahahaha! True, very true.


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Well I know I'm not the only one. There were thousands of people in attendance who felt the same way. I really got the feeling that when Tate offered her hand that she did so sincerely and with respect, despite the fact that she had been beaten by somebody she dislikes intensly. All Rousey had to do was accept the gesture and shake the hand that was offered. I think it is a great pity that she didn't. What frustrates me is that I really want to like Rousey. She is an incredible athlete and has amazing skills, so there's a lot to like.
Oh, I didn't mean you're the only one, just the only one I have any sort of regular interaction with. Also, the only one I could hope to get a meaningful, intelligent response from. Soooooooo many others airing their displeasure on various other sites...not the most reasonable chaps let me tell you, so I turned to you for a look behind the curtain.

So now, thanks to your help, I think I can see both sides of this thing. I actually share your view on the matter of sportsman-like, or sportswoman-like conduct. At the same time, I instinctively understood where Ronda was coming from so I guess I was confused that so many others did not.

She has no respect for Miesha Tate as a person, and since the handshake, to her apparently, is more a sign of friendship than passing courtesy, it would make no sense for her to do it. She would be going against everything she was raised to believe about how one conducts oneself in the world if she did, so kudos to her for standing firm in her principles.

I think it is a shame that so many are angry with her for going against tradition, as it were, and not taking a moment to consider her side of it. I definitely agree with you that there is alot to like about her and I think, with time, you and many who currently share your view, will come to at least respect that she is possibly deserving of some leeway in this matter. She is a fairly unique individual, I think she has a bit more of a martial artists view than a combat-sports/athlete view of things, the shows of respect seem a bit more meangingful in her eyes and so cannot be doled out simply as a matter of course.


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Anyway, the good part is that we don't have to agree on this. If we all agreed on everything it would be a pretty dull old world.
Well, I can certainly agree with that

Although, while dull, the world would likely also be a whole lot safer, no need to invade or drop bombs and such if everyone is on the same page...I think I'd take dull anyday if such were the case.
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